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Tuesday, October 20, 2020

Life (and Death) Without God

The philosopher Todd May is an atheist who rejects the supernatural, but not the people who believe in it.

In five previous interviews in this series we've explored the Buddhist, Jain, Taoist, Jewish and Christian views on death and the afterlife. But what about those without any religious faith or belief in God? Why not, some readers have asked, interview an atheist? So we did.

Today's conversation is with Todd May, the author of 16 books of philosophy ranging from recent French thought to contemporary ethics. His books — including "A Significant Life," "A Fragile Life" and, most recently, "A Decent Life: Morality for the Rest of Us" — investigate meaning, suffering and morality. His work has been featured in episodes of the television show "The Good Place," where he served behind the scenes as a "philosophical consultant." — George Yancy

George Yancy: In your book "Death," you very clearly state, "For the record, I am an atheist (which is why I don't believe in an afterlife)." Cornel West is fond of saying that we will eventually become "the culinary delight of terrestrial worms." So I assume you believe life ends right there, without any consciousness beyond the worms. Do all atheists subscribe to that belief?

Todd May: First, George, I owe you a debt of gratitude for this series. Confronting death is one of the most important and difficult tasks that we as humans face. It's been inspiring to see the ways different traditions grapple with that task.

In stating my own position, I don't speak as a representative of atheism. There can be different types of atheism, but they all have in common the denial of a supernatural deity. My own atheism involves a denial of the supernatural in all its forms, for instance the distinction of the soul from the body, the immortality of the soul, reincarnation and so on. However, I can imagine an atheism that believes, for instance, that there is a spiritual bond uniting all people or all living beings. A view like that would not require a deity, but might still be a form of atheism. It's just not my atheism.

My particular atheism commits me to thinking that those who believe in the supernatural are mistaken. It does not, however, commit me to thinking any less of them for their belief. This is an important distinction to make, one that often goes missing in discussions of atheism... (continues)

Thursday, October 8, 2020

Baggini's Jesus

 The Godless Gospel

Even if we don’t believe that Jesus was the son of God, we tend to think he was a great moral teacher. But was he? And how closely do idealised values such as our love of the family, helping the needy, and the importance of kindness, match Jesus’s original tenets?

Julian Baggini challenges our assumptions about Christian values – and about Jesus – by focusing on Jesus’s teachings in the Gospels, stripping away the religious elements such as the accounts of miracles or the resurrection of Christ. Reading closely this new ‘godless’ Gospel, included as an appendix, Baggini asks how we should understand Jesus’s attitude to the renunciation of the self, to politics, or to sexuality, as expressed in Jesus’s often elusive words.

An atheist from a Catholic background, Baggini introduces us to a more radical Jesus than popular culture depicts. And as he journeys deeper into Jesus’s worldview, and grapples with Jesus’s sometimes contradictory messages, against his scepticism he finds that Jesus’s words amount to a purposeful and powerful philosophy, which has much to teach us today.