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Saturday, January 27, 2018

How can I change the mind of a deeply devoted believer?


I don’t believe that I should attempt to change the mind of a deeply devoted religious believer to atheism or an atheist to fundamentalist Christianity. I’m inclined to agree with Baggini’s suggestion to keep an open-minded committed to truth and rational inquiry.

However, does this mean that I can never engage in a discussion with someone who might hold a well-formed ideology? No. I think it behooves me to learn as much as I can about multiple views so if I encounter someone who wants to talk about their views, I can listen with understanding and pose some questions about issues that I have difficulty with to engage them in the discussion.

For me, probably one of the best model’s to follow in this approach is Abraham Lincoln.
Here are five tips from Ed Mannino ( http://edmannino.com/blog/abraham-lincoln-trial-lawyer/) about President Abraham Lincoln who was a noted trial lawyer before he became President.

Tips
1. Prepare and be diligent.
Lincoln once observed that “The leading rule for the lawyer…is diligence.” The first obligation of the trial lawyer is to meticulously gather, sort, and understand the facts of the case. He captured the importance of preparation memorably by stating “Give me six hours to chop down a tree and I will spend the first four sharpening the axe.”
In Lincoln’s view, rhetoric will not save sloppy preparation. As Lincoln put it, “If anyone, upon his rare powers of speaking, shall claim an exemption from the drudgery of the law, his case is a failure in advance.”
2. Use logic and detachment.
Historian Julie Fenster has described Lincoln as having had a scientific mind. In his trial work, he favored the use of logic to advance the theme of his cases, rarely resorting to emotion or flowery rhetoric. Lincoln would often, in closing argument, carefully recite what he believed to be the opposition’s best case and then tear it down point by point. His law partner William Herndon described Lincoln’s trial approach as being the “patient but relentless unfolding of a case…reasoning through logic, analogy and comparison.”
3. Develop the key facts, and let your theme emerge from them.
Lincoln would select the facts he perceived as the critical facts, and utilize only them in his presentation. With those facts as the base, he would let his theme emerge from them, and tie his argument to them. Lincoln believed, as most top trial lawyers do, that “less is more.”
4. Ignore small points.
Lincoln would typically concede points made by his adversary when he saw them as unimportant in the overall context of his case theme. His focus was always on that point or points which his diligent preparation had identified as the heart of his case. In other words, don’t lengthen a trial by using a kitchen sink approach of dumping all the facts in front of the jury box. This only bores the jurors, obscures what is necessary to win your case, and unduly lengthens the trial.
5. Use simple language.

Adam Gopnik has aptly described Lincoln’s style in the Gettysburg Address as “summation by simplicity.” Lincoln employed the same approach in his trial work. He used simple language, particularly at the end of his closing argument, where single syllable words predominated. As he told one of his partners, it is necessary to “shoot down low, and the common people will understand you…If you shoot too high your bullets will go over the heads of the masses, and only hit those who need no hitting.” This also required a conversational style of talking with — rather than to — the jurors. Lincoln would take the jurors with him on a guided tour of the facts and logically set the base for them to draw the right conclusions. This, he rightly believed, would lead to a verdict for his client in most cases.

5 comments:

  1. Solid listening advice, Don. I'm sure both you and Honest Abe were more patient listeners than I am. You're both excellent role-models in that regard.

    Glad you've mentioned Gopnik, whose "Angels and Ages" is one of the best books on Lincoln I've ever read. He and Darwin shared a birthday and a freethinker's openness to a universe that fails to conform to our comfortable pieties.

    But while I aspire to be a tolerant listener I must also reiterate: there are limits. If conversational common ground between freethinker and religious fundamentalist cannot be established at the outset (for instance, the fact of a universe and earth whose age must be measured in the billions of earth-years), there seems little prospect of a fruitful exchange of views. Put somewhat less charitably by Mr. Twain: "Never argue with a fool..."

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    1. Actually he said: “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”

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  2. Don, I think your tips for engaging in a civil discussion with someone on the topic of atheism/religion are incredibly valuable! Too often people forget the importance of having civil discussions on “hot button” issues and they result in shouting matches between two people who are no longer listening but simply grandstanding. However, while these tips are valuable for engaging in a discussion when both parties are willing to be open minded, there is always the worry of discussions with close-minded individuals. When discussing religion there is always the thought process of “enlightening foolish religious believers” amongst unfriendly atheist and this is the line of thinking that I first had when I saw the title of your discussion. At first I inwardly cringed as I expected to read a post on how to persuade your devout religious friends to abandon their faith.
    I believe the idea of attempting to “change the mind” and a devout religious individual is potentially problematic for a number of reasons, and it is not a task an atheist should aspire to partake in frequently. Now, for clarification, the free exchange of information is important. Civil discourse on important and personal issues is one of the most valuable activities and individual may engage in. However, the phrasing of this topic lends itself to a persuasive challenge almost as if the atheist is supposed to be a debater attempting to persuade a judge that there is no God.
    In the field of Comm. Studies there is a theory titled Social Judgment theory. Founded by Carol and Muzafer Sherif and Carl Hovand, the theory discusses the ways in which an individual perceives and categorizes information in regard to their current attitudes. In the simplest of terms (as the theory is much more complex in its full capacity), imagine each individual person’s thoughts, beliefs, morals, and values are all on a line. The line is cut in half by another line. Everything on the right side of the line is immovable. You cannot persuade that individual to change their perceptions or beliefs of anything on the right side. On the left side of the line are the items that can be persuade and the beliefs and attitudes that can be modified. Typically, religion falls on the right-hand side as it is entrenched in an individual’s sense of morals and what is right. When a person attempts to “change the mind” of something that falls on the right-hand side, it often leads to hurt feelings and violence as people tend to become defensive and protective of their beliefs. It is a waste of energy and time to persuade someone who is not interested in opening their minds or sharing in a discussion.
    Furthermore, who am I to attempt to take away someone’s religion from them? Often, individuals are looking for something in religion: hope, comfort, love, redemption. Whatever it is they are searching for, it is not my place as somebody who is allegedly “enlightened with the godless truth” to attempt to take their religion from them. As long as they are not using their religion for ill deeds, then there is no harm in allowing them the comfort of their belief system. I am comfortable in my lack of belief, and if an individual is comfortable in his or her belief, then it is not my place to take that away from them.
    Ultimately, a discussion should only be had when it is two-sided, civil, and open minded. If a religious individual does not want to hear the ideas of the atheist, then it is not the place of the atheist to take up the podium and begin 1AC on the value or lack there of in believing in religion.
    Excellent post, Don!

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  3. Skye,
    Thank you and Dr. Phil for your comments. I love Mark Twain, witty, pithy, and wise. His quotes cover a wide range of subjects including religion - "So much blood has been shed by the Church because of an omission from the Gospel: 'Ye shall be indifferent as to what your neighbor's religion is.' Not merely tolerant of it, but indifferent to it. Divinity is claimed for many religions; but no religion is great enough or divine enough to add that new law to its code."

    I will definitely learn about the Social Judgment Theory. You're absolutely correct about when a discussion should be had. That seems to be lost somewhat in today's environment with many moderators unable or unwilling to control the discussion when they allow participants to interrupt,talk-over the other party, or monopolize the conversation. I try to be a kind of seed planter and then let it germinate and grow when I'm not around. Hopefully, after the person has thought about it and I've thought about what they've said, we can engage again and have a more meaningful discussion and learn from each other, but I have known individuals who consider almost any question to be an attack on them and that never works to anybody's benefit.
    Thank you both again and see you in class.
    Don

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  4. Great question! My brother has always taught me that "you cant teach an old dog new tricks." I feel that the older someone gets the harder it is to alter their way of thinking. But, I do believe it is possible. I have debates with my family all of the time about religion and beliefs, my goal is not to try to change them but to make them think. I offer new information, questions, I show them my perspective in hopes that they will understand an alternate way of thinking. It works sometimes and sometimes it does not, it just depends on who I am talking to. I believe that everyone has their own truth. That truth makes them who they are no matter what religion or way of thinking they gravitate towards. Our subconscious knows who we are before we do. For me personally, I would not try to change them but I would try to make them think or through their beliefs bring them to a higher understanding of themselves.

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